
Is anyone else watching this? It just premiered today. It's about two female detectives (one of whom is Toni Colette) trying to catch a serial rapist, and it's written by the husband-wife pair of novelists Michael Chabon and Ayelet Waldman, and directed by Lisa Cholodenko ("High Art"). It's trying to be more sensitive than TV shows usually are about rape and take more seriously the question of rape victims' vulnerability before police and the unreliability of memory in rape cases.
The reviews made it sound like it was written by an SJW, but so far it's pretty intelligent and gripping--much less heavy-handed than the third season of "Broadchurch" (which tried to do something similar, but did it poorly).
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 96 | April 24, 2020 4:44 AM |
OP, "SJW" is Neo-Nazi for "Nigger Lover". Go fuck yourself.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | September 14, 2019 7:18 AM |
The Merritt Wever character is a dumpy Christian detective, and she looks like a blonder and less well-groomed Sarah Huckabee Sanders--but she has, against all probability, a muscular and attractive husband who so far seems to be almost perfectly supportive and loving.
Maybe their marriage is what the title refers to.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | September 14, 2019 7:28 AM |
r1, please seek professional help.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | September 14, 2019 7:29 AM |
I've heard good things about this show and I like Colette, but I'm not really interested in the subject matter, so I doubt I'll watch it.
r3 Why? He's right. Who even uses that tired fucking acronym anymore, aside from alt-right turds? And it's constantly deployed by them and other bigots whenever gays appear on TV, so it's bizarre you would claim it as your own. Not everything you personally don't understand or which isn't immediately relatable to your point of view is automatically "SJW".
by Anonymous | reply 4 | September 14, 2019 11:35 AM |
[quote]Not everything you personally don't understand or which isn't immediately relatable to your point of view is automatically "SJW".
Not everyone who doesn't immediately relate to your view automatically a "neo-Nazi", "bigot", or "alt-right turd". However, it does highlight the all-too-common SJW practice of spewing juvenile pejoratives at those who don't agree with them.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | September 14, 2019 11:55 AM |
I like Collette.
I like Wever.
I like using the term SJW in reference to histrionic dipshits who hijack legitimately concerning issues in order to manipulate others into giving them their negative-attention fix.
I’m not alt-right.
I’m not a Trump supporter.
I do think assholes and wrong-doers need to be called out.
I don’t have a problem with doxing said assholes.
I don’t have a problem with assholes and wrongdoers that are stupid enough to pull their shit publicly going viral and losing their jobs.
I am not a Social Justice Warrior.
I am not the OP.
I am not R1.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | September 14, 2019 12:10 PM |
[quote] Not everyone who doesn't immediately relate to your view automatically a "neo-Nazi", "bigot", or "alt-right turd". However, it does highlight the all-too-common SJW practice of spewing juvenile pejoratives at those who don't agree with them.
Which part of social justice do you not agree with:
1. (casual) racism is not OK
2. (casual) misogyny/sexism is not OK
3. (casual) homophobia is not OK
4. (casual) xenophobia is not OK
Don't get upset with R4 for pointing out that if a shoe fits...
by Anonymous | reply 7 | September 14, 2019 12:14 PM |
"Social justice" is a euphemism for the rationalization of hectoring and harranguing. See R7 for further details.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | September 14, 2019 12:28 PM |
^^ And hypocrisy. Lots of hypocrisy.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | September 14, 2019 12:29 PM |
Self-appointed Language Police Officers do not interest me.
This is not an Oberlin College safe space.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | September 14, 2019 5:15 PM |
Interesting. Both writers have been lightening rods for haters for various reasons (Chabon for writing a lot about gays, including sex scenes, but actually being hetero and for taking himself way too seriously, and Waldman for saying she loved her husband more than her kids and generally fighting with Mommy Blogger types and also taking herself way too seriously.)
Unsurprisingly, they live in Oakland.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | September 14, 2019 5:19 PM |
[quote] (Chabon for writing a lot about gays, including sex scenes, but actually being hetero
Chabon is bi.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | September 14, 2019 5:36 PM |
On DL he is no doubt R12. But so is everyone.
Has he ever fessed up to it IRL?
by Anonymous | reply 13 | September 14, 2019 5:42 PM |
Yes, he has said his first long-term partner was a man, and has written about it. The relationship inspired The Mysteries of Pittsburgh, his first novel.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | September 14, 2019 5:44 PM |
Yes, she has written about microdosing LSD to control her mood disorders. She is a real piece of work--a hugely self-absorbed and narcissistic woman.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | September 14, 2019 6:25 PM |
I’ll watch because I like everyone except Chabon and Waldman.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | September 14, 2019 6:33 PM |
I love it, OP, but seeing what was done to the first victim is horrifying, especially since it’s true.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | September 14, 2019 6:36 PM |
R18 is correct, this is based entirely on a true story, but I just read this morning that the creators/writers of this program actually downplayed a lot of it
by Anonymous | reply 19 | September 14, 2019 6:49 PM |
Yes this is a true crime adaptation based on this case. Doesn't seem OP realized that.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 20 | September 14, 2019 6:54 PM |
Funny, I just googled it R14 and funny which website came up. (The thread is from 2009!)
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 21 | September 14, 2019 7:15 PM |
I did realize that, r20. I don't understand what about my original post made you think i didn't.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | September 14, 2019 9:43 PM |
Sorry to be off-topic but there are some that believe LSD helps with mood disorders? Never heard that.
I just started watching it. One of the young actors is Kaitlyn Dever who is very talented. I'm not sure what I think about it yet (3 episodes in), but I do love Toni Collette and Merritt Wever as the detectives.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | September 15, 2019 3:22 PM |
Wever and Collette are brilliant and the rest of the cast is excellent. Cameos by actors from some of the better films and television series of the last several years.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | September 15, 2019 4:38 PM |
[quote]this is based entirely on a true story, but I just read this morning that the creators/writers of this program actually downplayed a lot of it
Time Magazine has a story this week, comparing the real facts with the show facts, and concludes the producers were remarkably faithful to the facts. "Marie" is actually the real first victim's middle name. The article gives the real names of the two female detectives and the rapist, but not of any of the victims (beyond that middle name).
by Anonymous | reply 25 | September 15, 2019 8:03 PM |
OP, what's your problem with the third series of Broadchurch? I thought is was the best one. And it has a 98% approval rating from Rotten Tomatoes.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | September 15, 2019 8:16 PM |
Finished bingewatching "Unbelievable"! It was terrific--really sensitive, really thoughtful, and beautifully acted all around. Toni Colette is always marvelous, but the real stars here were Caitlyn Dever and Merritt Wever--I would be surprised if they don't both get Emmys (and they will certainly both be Emmy nominated).
And Austin Hebert is very sexy as Merritt Wever's character's husband.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | September 16, 2019 3:49 AM |
I watched it in one sitting on Friday night. I couldn't stop watching, it was so odd. I don't know, I think I liked most of it, but the pacing sometimes felt off, or just unusual. The first case, that focuses on Marie Adler, was horrifying. But it was such a slow burn. I don't think Colette shows up until the 3rd episode. And while it may have been going for sensitive, I felt like the level of detail was almost gratuitous. What was really bizarre was that the Adler character lives in Lynnwood, Washington and I am pretty sure they filmed in the DMV I used to frequent off Hwy 99. I think I even recognize which building they filmed the fake store Marie works at.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | September 16, 2019 4:00 AM |
I watched it fairly quickly because it's addictive. It's very well written, and I generally never watch detective shows or crime stories. Chabon's interest in technical details is evident, especially when they're talking about DNA evidence. The victim's story was painful to watch. It did have a very pro-women tone, but it's a true story about female heroines so that fits.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | September 16, 2019 4:08 AM |
We do get several good long looks at the fit-fat actor playing the serial rapist completely in the nude.
He is NOT well endowed.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | September 16, 2019 4:50 AM |
Why are there only 30 posts on here?
by Anonymous | reply 32 | September 16, 2019 5:21 AM |
[quote] Why are there only 30 posts on here?
It just premiered.
There's not much buzz about it yet.
Shows about investigating rape do not sell as easily as shows about investigating murder.
Dataloungers tend as a whole not to be very pro-feminist.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | September 16, 2019 6:42 AM |
Can't wait to watch this, the subject matter sounds terrifying and Toni Collette is one of the most reliable actors. I don't even think she's ever been 'average' let alone bad. And I like Wever from Nurse Jackie.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | September 16, 2019 7:25 AM |
There’s few better than Toni Collette.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | September 16, 2019 10:21 AM |
[quote]It did have a very pro-women tone, but it's a true story about female heroines so that fits.
We’re so relieved you weren’t offended by the “pro-women” tone r30!
Fucking Hell.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | September 16, 2019 10:24 AM |
Actually, Toni was trash in this. Like shockingly lousy. Checked out. Wever and Dever, lol, were both pretty great, as was the fat girl from Bird Box. The script was heavy handed and the pacing clumsy.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | September 16, 2019 10:27 AM |
OP must be that fuckwit who asked if Elena Ferrante is chick lit.
A show about about a rape investigation makes you think of SJWs? Really?
by Anonymous | reply 39 | September 16, 2019 5:22 PM |
I've already addressed the question of having my language policed.
p.s.--Bye-bye!
by Anonymous | reply 40 | September 16, 2019 7:22 PM |
You’re still stupid as shit.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | September 16, 2019 8:57 PM |
[quote]I am not [R1].
Oh, can I steal that for the title of my memoirs?
I AM NOT R1
A life
By R42
by Anonymous | reply 42 | September 16, 2019 9:06 PM |
It was great although the first episode is hard to watch because it's a long series of horrible events that happen to the first victim Marie.
I spent much of the series fantasizing about being raped by Merritt Weaver's hunky cop husband. Am I going to hell?
by Anonymous | reply 43 | September 16, 2019 9:23 PM |
I love Toni Collette but this show is so shitty! MEH!
by Anonymous | reply 44 | September 16, 2019 9:49 PM |
Merrit Wever's hunky husband was so sexy. He wears a tight t-shirt tucked into tight pants in every scene he's in.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | September 16, 2019 10:05 PM |
At the end, he sings a karaoke song way to well and you suddenly realize that the actor is a stud muffin/gay former theater major.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | September 16, 2019 11:35 PM |
I got about halfway through the first episode and tapped out. Life is too short to waste it on people who fake rape.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | September 17, 2019 7:42 PM |
You idiot, r47. She didn’t fake the rape, that’s the whole point of the series.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | September 17, 2019 8:07 PM |
She didn't fake rape, r47--that was the whole point of the miniseries. She was really raped.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | September 17, 2019 10:35 PM |
Whoever set Toni Collette's makeup gun to the "trump" setting should be fired. It was so distracting.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | September 18, 2019 7:20 AM |
Love this; the young actress who plays Marie was excellent. Marie broke my heart.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | September 19, 2019 1:30 PM |
Any idea why 57-year-old Dale Dickey (RoseMarie) has the skin of an 85-year-old?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 52 | September 19, 2019 8:20 PM |
I binged yesterday and LOVED it! Not enough hot men to look at except at the end where you get to see the rapist NAKED!!! OMG he’s so hot and has an ass like I’ve never seen! He’s totally built solid in arms/shoulders but has a tummy. I don’t mind not having a 6 pack abs, he can pound me all night long!!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 53 | September 19, 2019 8:28 PM |
i watched it. i thought it was too heavy handed at times and some of the story was confusing, like Merritt Wevers character had kids. in the first episode they were talking on the phone about one of the little girls being sick with a fever-i thought it was eluding to the daughter having cancer or some awful disease. it just didn't fit into the story. Too much husband/wife talk with Toni Collette and her partner. Just seemed like filler. Marie was the most interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | September 19, 2019 10:53 PM |
Also they never explained why the rapist was in the Seattle area, what he was doing there.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | September 19, 2019 11:05 PM |
I binged it over 2 days last weekend. The Marie story is a bit frustrating because you see her sabotage herself after being lead on to deny the truth by all too typical cops and her foster mother. But the two women detectives are very inspiring in their determination and persistence. Won't give it away, but I like how far they went for the ending--no loose ends at last. I think it will get an Emmy nom next year for sure. Well-acted all around (maybe the Toni Collette character a little over the top but not her acting), well directed. Very affecting, not sensationalized for once.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | September 19, 2019 11:30 PM |
Loved it though it took me until around the end of the second episode to really get into it. From there I was hooked.
Merrit Wever and the ‘Dumplin’/Birdbox actress look like they should be playing sisters so that was a bit distracting.
I want Brooke Smith to be my shrink!
by Anonymous | reply 58 | September 23, 2019 3:04 AM |
I happened to click on this while surfing Netflix yesterday. Man, I got sucked in! I was ready to give up after the first episode because I couldn't imagine watching a whole series about the one girl's tragic rape. Then, Merrit Weaver showed up. What a phenomenal actress! I adore Toni Collette but she definitely took a backseat to this Merrit actress (I never heard of her before this). IMDB says she is best known for Signs but I can't remember her in that for the life of me.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | September 23, 2019 2:09 PM |
She had a small role in Signs. Best known for Nurse Jackie for which she won an Emmy, and a thankless role on The Walking Dead.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | September 24, 2019 1:40 AM |
I agree that Toni Collette took a back seat to Merrit Weaver in this. And yes I definitely noticed her husband's very tight wardrobe r45.
I remember thinking this story was devastating when I read the article, seeing it in live action was devastating. So happy that Marie and the other victim's story is getting more attention. It deserves more attention.
Also was impressed how they didn't Hollywood it up too much, they kept it fairly true to life.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | September 27, 2019 2:55 AM |
He was living in Washington at the time r56, then moved to Colorado in 2009.
He pleaded guilty to two rapes in Washington, Marie and another girl.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | September 27, 2019 3:06 AM |
Also the real Marie is now a truck driver who is married with two kids. She was a big fan of the show.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | September 27, 2019 4:58 AM |
I'm curious--if you've watched the series (I have), is it worth reading the source material from Pro Publica (and I forget where else--another online source)?
by Anonymous | reply 64 | September 28, 2019 2:16 AM |
I was so afraid that Marie would commit suicide. I’m so glad she didn’t.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | September 28, 2019 4:30 AM |
I thought the contrast in police procedural between episode 1 and 2 was the best of the series and Wever’s performance was terrific. I though the series was preachy at times when the characters spouted rape and domestic abuse statistics. The writer’s agenda was too obvious.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | September 28, 2019 5:52 AM |
Define "worth it" r64. It depends on how interested you are in the case. There is the ProPublica article, the This American Life Podcast, a CBS 48 hours special and even a whole damn book.
There is a lot of material about the real life case which I find fascinating cause I think it is an interesting case. There are some differences from choices the show made and real life, and you can hear from some of the real people.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | September 28, 2019 6:19 AM |
The actress who was on Nurse Jackie is a GREAT actress. She is so natural and believable.
In contrast, Collette, whom I really like, seems very theatrical and mannered.
And who the fuck did Toni's makeup? Trump?
by Anonymous | reply 68 | September 30, 2019 4:56 AM |
Merritt Wever is wonderful. Whoever said she looked like Sarah Huckabee Sanders had me snorting. You're right and SNL should get right on that.
The husband with his ill-fitting toupee was an odd note. Why so gay? Is that Michael Chabon's influence? Sometimes straight women have bisexual husbands?
by Anonymous | reply 69 | October 2, 2019 1:17 PM |
this was good... will there be a season 2 with another crime?
by Anonymous | reply 70 | October 14, 2019 1:29 AM |
A season 2?
This was based on a very specific case, the name of the series comes from the name of the ProPublica article.
If you want to cover some other true crime story you would just make a new miniseries.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | October 14, 2019 1:52 AM |
I didn't like Toni Collette in this. She was very mannered.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | October 14, 2019 1:59 AM |
I’d like to see this. The true story it’s based on is sad but riveting. I think the rapist would’ve eventually escalated to murder if cops didn’t get their heads out of their asses and find him. Might’ve prevented the subsequent rapes too.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | October 14, 2019 2:11 AM |
Is this done by the people who made the western about a a town of mostly women who fought off the bad guys ?
by Anonymous | reply 74 | October 14, 2019 2:48 AM |
I liked Toni in this. Merrit is always good....
by Anonymous | reply 76 | October 14, 2019 3:47 AM |
I’ve got a storyline for a season two!
by Anonymous | reply 77 | October 14, 2019 5:14 AM |
No r74. The executive producer behind "Godless" was Scott Frank.
The people behind this miniseries were Susannah Grant, Ayelet Waldman, and Michael Chabon.
No relation between the projects except Merrit Weaver was in both.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | October 14, 2019 5:27 AM |
R77 you bitch! I chuckled.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | October 14, 2019 5:39 AM |
Toni probably would have been a bigger star if she didn’t have offbeat looks but I think she looks good on this show.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | October 20, 2019 11:52 PM |
My heart broke for little Marie. Her rape probably wasn't the worst thing that happened to her. We have thousands of Maries in America, kids who age out of the foster care system, and are forced to function as adults when all they know is survival. Foster kids often carry their dysfunction and disadvantages into adulthood where they must compete with middle-class Madison and Hunter for jobs.
The series was almost boring, yet riveting. Glad I watched it.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | October 21, 2019 4:10 AM |
The actress who played Marie should win an Emmy. Merrit is a sure thing for Lead...
by Anonymous | reply 83 | October 21, 2019 4:29 AM |
Best non-documentary thing I've seen on Netflix. I liked that the cops who got Marie to deny her own allegations weren't bad guys at all. They weren't deliberately mean to her and they gave her the chance for another turnaround. They were just time-servers who were happy to believe the surface - but then, so were her foster mothers. (I was, however, confused that they then went on to charge her with misleading them: that didn't seem in character for them and you didn't see pressure on them from above to do it.)
Merrit Weaver had a relatively small role in the greatly underrated Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, but she was adored by everyone who did watch that show. I'm an Aussie who has never loved Toni Colette, but I thought she was really good in this. Caitlyn Dever was remarkable, and the part is remarkably written too.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | October 21, 2019 5:08 AM |
What’s with Merritt Weaver’s supergay husband?
by Anonymous | reply 85 | October 30, 2019 10:56 PM |
I hated that that one foster mother who caused all the trouble didn’t get her comeuppance.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | October 30, 2019 11:01 PM |
I hated that that one foster mother who caused all the trouble didn’t get her comeuppance.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | October 30, 2019 11:01 PM |
[quote]I hated that that one foster mother who caused all the trouble didn’t get her comeuppance.
Agreed. She should have been raped in the penultimate episode.
But I also think it made for superior writing that she got away with causing all that trouble. Because that's real life, not trite, Production Code storytelling.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | October 31, 2019 1:18 AM |
Hearing the story on This American Life and the foster mother interviewed, her actions made more sense.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | November 2, 2019 12:56 AM |
Watched the first episode today. Got up after watching 6 episodes. Terrific show. Love Toni and Merritt. Kaitlyn Dever is amazing.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | November 2, 2019 2:54 AM |
I didn't mind the religious references. In real life, many people are casually religious and Christianity does imbue you with certain perspectives.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | November 2, 2019 4:43 PM |
I didn't get the other stepmother was a villain just misjudged her.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | November 2, 2019 9:44 PM |
R90 here. Finished it today. Again Merrit Wever and Kaitlyn Dever were brilliant. Very well done show.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | November 3, 2019 3:20 AM |
The series picked up a golden globe nomination and all three lead actresses were nominated. Strong showing.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | December 9, 2019 2:42 PM |
I watched this over the past couple of days. Terrific performances from the main three actresses. I hope karma visits the dipshit detectives who didn't believe the real Marie.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | April 24, 2020 4:44 AM |
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