Long forgotten scandals from your childhood

Most people have forgotten about the Cullen Davis “murder in Texas” shootings but it was huge down here when I was a kid.

by Anonymousreply 110September 1, 2018 4:54 AM

Isn't that the one where Farrah Fawcett, Sam Elliot and Andy Griffith starred in a mini series in the late 70s or so? I do remember it vaguely.

by Anonymousreply 1August 28, 2018 11:33 PM

I remember the Fatal Vision murders by Jeffrey MacDonald in 1970. It was pretty big news here in the NYC area because MacDonald was originally from Queens.

by Anonymousreply 2August 28, 2018 11:37 PM

R1, are you thinking about the woman who murders her children so she can be free to run off with the mailman who has no interest in her?

by Anonymousreply 3August 28, 2018 11:41 PM

John List, the New Jersey insurance actuary who murdered his entire family--children, wife, ancient mother--and disappeared for a long time. Finally was found with a new wife, new life.

by Anonymousreply 5August 28, 2018 11:43 PM

Thanks, R4--hadn't heard about this one.

by Anonymousreply 6August 28, 2018 11:44 PM

Hollywood loves this stuff. Robert Blake played List in a TV movie.

by Anonymousreply 7August 28, 2018 11:45 PM

Andy Griffith was great in that film. It was the first time I had seen him in a drama ( I had yet to see A Face in the Crowd) and he impressed the hell out of me.

by Anonymousreply 8August 28, 2018 11:47 PM

R3, you're thinking of the Alice Crimmins case, I'm pretty sure. CBS made a wonderfully trashy TV movie based on it called [italic]A Question of Guilt,[/italic] starring Tuesday Weld as "Doris Winters." I was riveted by her cheap Eva Gabor wig, draggy makeup, and Frederick's of Hollywood day lewks.

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by Anonymousreply 9August 28, 2018 11:48 PM

I remember that the bodies of the List family weren't discovered for nearly a month. He'd left all the lights burning (huge white Victorian house set back from the road a bit), and the neighbors finally noticed that the lights were burning out, one by one. Earlier, teachers had gone to the house but couldn't get any response, and the kids ween't allowed to socialize much outside of school, so no one really noticed.

by Anonymousreply 10August 28, 2018 11:49 PM

Thanks, R9, I'm thinking of Diane Downs. (FF also played her in a miniseries).

by Anonymousreply 11August 28, 2018 11:50 PM

Frances Schreuder, who murdered her tightwad and very wealthy father for his mining stocks so that she could continue to be a patroness of the NYCB and travel in fairly elevated social circles. Nutty as a fruitcake. DL fave Lee Remick played her in the miniseries.

by Anonymousreply 13August 28, 2018 11:51 PM

R9, I do remember the Crimmins case. I was very young but recall all the news broadcasts talking about it. My mom worked in administration at the Women's House of Detention when it was located in the Village and she would mention her when the news was on.

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by Anonymousreply 15August 29, 2018 12:04 AM

[quote]Frances Schreuder, who murdered her tightwad and very wealthy father for his mining stocks so that she could continue to be a patroness of the NYCB and travel in fairly elevated social circles. Nutty as a fruitcake. DL fave Lee Remick played her in the miniseries.

There were actually two competing miniseries based on two different books: [italic]Nutcracker,[/italic] with Lee Remick, and [italic]At Mother's Request,[/italic] with Stefanie Powers. Both were great, but Stefanie camped it up while Lee was more restrained and glamorous. (The real-life Frances Schreuder actually looked like Olive Oyl.)

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by Anonymousreply 16August 29, 2018 12:05 AM

R13, Remick was on fire in that role. If she had lived Remick may have become an icon. She mesmerized me always.

by Anonymousreply 17August 29, 2018 12:06 AM

R13 I have not thought about that woman in years. I went to a ballet camp at the same time as her daughter Lavinia around 1981. Francis came to see Lavinia on visitors day. She stood out and some of were staring because we knew about her mother’s legal problems. She was quite homely and looked like a real piece of work although it was obvious she really loved the daughter. Lavinia became a massage therapist and I hope she is ok and happy now. She looked exactly like her mother btw but blonde.

by Anonymousreply 18August 29, 2018 12:10 AM

Poor kid. The older brothers were dreadful, but Lavinia couldn't have been more than 7 or 8 when the trouble started, right?

by Anonymousreply 19August 29, 2018 12:13 AM

Yes she was little r19 Not a bad dancer.

by Anonymousreply 20August 29, 2018 12:16 AM

The Helle Crafts murder in Newtown, CT. Colloquially know as "The Wood Chipper Murder" served as the basis of the crimes in the movie Fargo. I'm surprised it never had a movie treatment. I remember the book. Interesting that it happened in the same small town where the Sandy Hook shooting took place.

by Anonymousreply 21August 29, 2018 12:20 AM

I went to a nearby school where Laurie Wade went into a school classroom and shot some kids, then ran and took another family hostage. She had threatened her ex-husband with a gun, had serious mental problems, but her parents got her gun back for her to do this, they were later sued by the families for protecting their daughter instead of getting her help. A movie was based off it starring Valerie Bertanelli.

I was pretty young, but even though it wasn't at my school, we were all told to get under our desks since she was on the loose and no one knew where she was for a couple hours, then we got sent home early.

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by Anonymousreply 22August 29, 2018 12:27 AM

^^It was Laurie Dann, the movie changed her name and maybe made some changes.

by Anonymousreply 23August 29, 2018 12:30 AM

Vanity Fair did a big feature on the Schreuder case in the late '80s. One funny detail I remember is how she went to George Balanchine's funeral and tried to make it all about her.

by Anonymousreply 24August 29, 2018 12:32 AM

The disappearance of Mary Ott. Don't think this made national news but it was big in Baltimore.

by Anonymousreply 25August 29, 2018 12:36 AM

She was a major piece of work. Anyone know where she is now? Dead? Prison?

by Anonymousreply 26August 29, 2018 2:03 AM

I'm not sure what this thread is asking for. Is this really about scandals, or just shocking murders?

In NYC, a major scandal that's been forgotten involved Bess Myerson. She bribed a judge who was overseeing her boyfriend's divorce proceedings, then covered the whole thing up after the fact. She was never nailed but the scandal completely ruined her reputation.

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by Anonymousreply 28August 29, 2018 2:09 AM

Alfred Bloomingdale's scandalous BDSM affair with Vicki Morgan and her descent into poverty, depression, drug addiction, and murder.

by Anonymousreply 29August 29, 2018 2:13 AM

The Chicago Tylenol Murders

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by Anonymousreply 31August 29, 2018 12:51 PM

Perfect, R28 and R29. The Bess Mess was particularly entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 32August 29, 2018 2:02 PM

Is the Ingrid Bergman scandal still remembered? I just learned about it a few years ago and was shocked at how brutal the public reaction was to it. People weren't offended that she had an affair; they felt BETRAYED. They thought she was exactly like the virginal characters she played onscreen and took her affair personally.

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by Anonymousreply 33August 30, 2018 3:01 AM

I was 6 when this happened & I remember it well...David from Sesame Street goes on a naked wild rampage

[quote]In 1980 Nashville Tennessee police arrested a half naked Northern Calloway, who was wearing nothing but a Superman T-shirt, during a wild rampage in a quiet residential neighbourhood. Calloway had been in Nashville performing a Sesame Street themed stage production while staying at the home of the theatre's marketing director. Apparently, sometime during the evening of September 20th, Calloway had beat his host with a metal iron, causing her to suffer a head injury and broken ribs, before tearing off half naked to the streets. In his rampage Calloway managed to break a series of windows, as well as take the iron to a car. Police found him by following a trail of the actors blood, caused by cuts suffered by shattered glass, and Calloway was reported to the police as muttering strange phrases and trying to eat grass. As police and ambulance drivers attempted to strap the enraged Calloway to a stretcher he was reported to have screamed "I'm David of Sesame Street and they're trying to kill me." When finally being interviewed days later about his rampage, Calloway was quoted by the Nashville Tennessean as saying, "It will be a sad, sad thing for the children to hear about this. I can't remember a thing. I've never had a spell like this before." Calloway was transferred to Middle Tennessee Mental Health Institute for further study. However, the strange story of Northern Calloway's insanity ends there. The woman whom he attacked lived and soon Calloway was not only out of the hospital but back on Sesame Street without the CTW batting an eyelash, and would play the role for another nine years without incident.

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by Anonymousreply 34August 30, 2018 3:07 AM

"I have sinned against you, my Lord!"--Jimmy Swaggart

Oh, God. This played nonstop on all media outlets when it happened. It's still cringey to this day!

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by Anonymousreply 35August 30, 2018 3:08 AM

Anyone remember Marge Schott? (Billy West used to do a hilarious impression of her on The Howard Stern Show.) This dumb broad would've been picked as a Trump cabinet member if she were still alive.

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by Anonymousreply 36August 30, 2018 3:12 AM

I grew up in Hollywood so there was a new scandal every week.

A terrible tragedy occurred in our neighborhood in the mid-60s. Someone came and poisoned all the dogs on our block. Our dogs survived because they were always inside

John List sent notes to his kids' schools saying the family was going away to visit a sick relative. His family is buried in the same cemetery as Whitney Houston.

by Anonymousreply 37August 30, 2018 4:58 AM

I loved Billy West's Marge Schott, but it was odd that he played her with a Boston accent. Wasn't she born and raised in Cincinnati?

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by Anonymousreply 38August 30, 2018 5:07 AM

R33, I remember one of the old [italic]Carol Burnett Show[/italic] "Family" skits where Thelma mention what a floozy Ingrid Bergman was. Curious gayling that I was, I asked my mom and grandmother about it, and they both told me the affair was a HUGE national scandal—they said it was all the ladies in the neighborhood could talk about at the time. There was even talk in Congress of banning her from the US.

by Anonymousreply 39August 30, 2018 5:19 AM

Anyone remember that song in the 80s by The Boomtown Rats called "Mondays"? About a high school girl who lived across the street from her school. One morning she took a rifle and picked off kids walking into the building from her bedroom window. When they asked her why she said "I don't like Mondays". Can't remember her name.

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by Anonymousreply 40August 30, 2018 5:29 AM

One from the small Missouri town I grew up in. The principal of the elementary school was shot six times by his son. The son tried to make it look like a burglary. Some people thought the mother was also involved.

by Anonymousreply 42August 30, 2018 6:03 AM

I'd forgotten about the letters, R37, and of course that's why no one came to check on them earlier. I think it was ultimately the daughter's high school drama teacher who came to the house, although I don't think he discovered the bodies.

And my family is buried in that cemetery as well. It's quite large.

by Anonymousreply 43August 30, 2018 3:19 PM

It turns out Robert Blake played John List in the TV movie on the case.

I never heard of the List murders until after JL died in prison back in the 00s. The true crime shows about List that I have seen since all have John Walsh, whose hate of List is oddly personal.

by Anonymousreply 44August 30, 2018 4:27 PM

THE ALDAY FAMILY MURDERS. MAJOR HEADLINES IN 1970S GEORGIA.

by Anonymousreply 45August 30, 2018 4:41 PM

When I was in about 5th grade a couple of white trash parents came into the classroom of the notoriously hardassed 8th grade English teacher at our school and beat her up in front of her class for giving their daughter (or son, I forget) an F or something. I heard from other kids that some kids actually threw up watching her being beaten. Big scandal in town and it made the TV news after the event and later at trial.

by Anonymousreply 46August 30, 2018 4:50 PM

John List's wife had given him syphilis, another reason he may have annihilated the family.

by Anonymousreply 47August 30, 2018 7:00 PM

Wasn't he protecting his children from the shame of that?

by Anonymousreply 48August 30, 2018 7:08 PM

In Oklahoma, it's the unsolved Mullendore Murder.

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by Anonymousreply 49August 30, 2018 7:14 PM

He said he was protecting the kids from the shame of poverty, but it sounds like he was thinking about the shame of syphilis, r48

by Anonymousreply 50August 30, 2018 7:30 PM

What little I remember: he killed the wife and his mother first, then shot each of the children as they arrived home from school and finally piled all the bodies in the library or dining room and took off for the airport.

by Anonymousreply 51August 30, 2018 7:35 PM

Willowbrook Mental Institution. Scenes in this video are horrifying

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by Anonymousreply 52August 30, 2018 7:36 PM

The $64,000 Question fiasco.

by Anonymousreply 53August 30, 2018 7:39 PM

Rosie Ruoz stealing the Boston Marathon win

by Anonymousreply 55August 30, 2018 9:13 PM

When the ex-wife of Andy Williams killed her lover in Asspen while she was coked up. She was French and he was a ski instructor named Spyder or something. Trial seemed to go one for months.

by Anonymousreply 58August 30, 2018 9:42 PM

Barefoot runner Zola Budd tripping Mary Decker at the '84 Olympics. Zola was already hated by those who thought the UK had unfairly fast-tracked her to citizenship (South Africa was banned from the Games at the time). Mary's shitty sportsmanship was just as bad—when Zola tried to apologize, she snarled, "Don't bother!" The media then savaged her as "America's Crybaby."

The cherry on the cake was the gold medalist nobody expected: the troglodytic Maricica Puica of Romania, who assaulted the world with her hairy pits.

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by Anonymousreply 59August 30, 2018 9:46 PM

R58, you're talking about Claudine Longet, who tearfully testified in her defense at her trial. She was acquitted despite the physical evidence contradicting nearly everything she said.

She was a singer and had spent several years as a Vegas showgirl. After the acquittal, she was offered a small fortune to star in a national tour of Chicago. She turned it down.

by Anonymousreply 60August 30, 2018 9:55 PM

^ I have to correct myself at r60. I just looked the case up and she was found guilty of negligent homicide but only sentenced to thirty days, which she was allowed to serve on weekends. The police and prosecutors both bungled their handling of the case and the evidence and a lot was not allowed in at the trial.

by Anonymousreply 61August 30, 2018 10:02 PM

Saturday Night Live did a brutally funny skit about it, "The Claudine Longet Invitational," which consisted of footage of skiiers wiping out to sounds of gunfire. Totally tasteless and really edgy for the time. Claudine's attorney threatened to sue, and Lorne Michaels had to apologize on-air the next week.

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by Anonymousreply 62August 30, 2018 10:10 PM

On 1980, there was a big scandal in Buffalo when a neon art installation went up.

At the time. Officials didn't know that at night, when lit up, the neon lights created a big red dancing cocks.

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by Anonymousreply 63August 30, 2018 10:15 PM

[quote]The Bess Mess was particularly entertaining.

Sukhreet (née Julie) Gabel, the judge's daughter and the witness for the prosecution, was the hottest of hot messes—think a fat Little Edie. She even tried to launch a cabaret act.

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by Anonymousreply 64August 30, 2018 10:37 PM

Sukhreet was the best part of the scandal. The whole Bess Mess kept me and my office colleagues entertained for months. This happened during the heyday of Spy Magazine, which had a wonderful time with it.

by Anonymousreply 65August 30, 2018 10:51 PM

If Sukhreet's still around, maybe she'd like to be a Real HW of NYC. They have a vacancy.

by Anonymousreply 66August 30, 2018 10:53 PM

I met Sukhreet several times right around the time the scandal hit. She'd gone to school with my then boyfriend and they were good friends.

She was sweet and bubbly if she knew and trusted you but there weren't many people who fell into that category. That's because she was totally nuts and constantly made fun of, which hurt her very much. Bess had to get her that patronage job because she was not employable. At all.

by Anonymousreply 67August 30, 2018 11:01 PM

When Freddie Prinz shot himself.

Is it worth googling for more insight? I never knew what led him to do it.

by Anonymousreply 68August 30, 2018 11:02 PM

R5 I don't think List has been forgotten.

by Anonymousreply 70August 30, 2018 11:21 PM

Interview with Sukhreet from 2011. She says she has learning disabilities and suffers from clinical depression, but that seems like it's just scratching the surface.

I knew she had to be mentally ill when during the scandal she would go hug her mom in the courtroom before proceeding to sell her out to the prosecution.

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by Anonymousreply 71August 30, 2018 11:22 PM

Funny story related to the Cullen Davis murders, OP. Back in the 90s I hung with a certain (fun) clique of gays. One evening I went over to one of their homes to meet and have drinks with a new friend they had made. I walked in and was introduced to [html removed]Priscilla[html removed]. They emphasized her name in the introduction, but there was no need as my jaw had already dropped to the floor. And then I was left with her! I had no idea what to say so I feigned not knowing who she was. Small talk. She was polite but distant, jaded. That may have been the most awkward three minutes I've ever endured.

by Anonymousreply 72August 30, 2018 11:37 PM

Wanda Hollway, the Texas mother who tried to have the mother of her daughters cheer leading rival killed. Holly Hunter was in a movie about it.

by Anonymousreply 73August 31, 2018 12:10 AM

R28, not mentioned is Bess Myerson being arrested for shop lifting cosmetics in Pennsylvania en route to visit her boyfriend in prison.

by Anonymousreply 75August 31, 2018 12:38 AM

R5 John List turned up the air conditioner so the bodies wouldn't decompose. The house at 413 Hillside Avenue in Westfield, New Jersey mysteriously burned to the ground nine months after the bodies were found. In 1974 a home of similar style was built on the site.

by Anonymousreply 76August 31, 2018 12:45 AM

Who lives in the new house and is it considered haunted?

by Anonymousreply 77August 31, 2018 12:55 AM

John List murdered his family for several reasons: he was unemployed and embarrassed at potential financial ruin, he thought he could get his kids into heaven by cashing in their chips early, and his wife once had chlamydia. It might have been before they were married but he couldn't get past it. She didn't give it to him, he just hated that she had had it. And don't forget he offed his mother who lived in an upstairs apartment. She was collateral damage.

Ironically, as one show pointed out, he was unaware that the large chandelier (or stained glass) that was an original fixture in his historic house was worth a shit ton of money. He could have sold it to a collector and lived comfortably for a period of time while he looked for work.

by Anonymousreply 78August 31, 2018 12:59 AM

OMG, was John List ever buried? Did he end up in a pauper's grave?

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by Anonymousreply 79August 31, 2018 1:04 AM

He ended up next to his mother in Michigan, even though he killed her.

by Anonymousreply 80August 31, 2018 1:14 AM

Here's his mother. I'm not sure he's buried next to her. Find. A Grave said his burial place is unknown

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by Anonymousreply 81August 31, 2018 1:27 AM

Pretty well preserved for a month dead.

by Anonymousreply 82August 31, 2018 1:34 AM

Here are pics of the List house. There aren't many because the house was eventually burned down.

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by Anonymousreply 83August 31, 2018 2:11 AM

I guess the air conditioning helped, r81.

by Anonymousreply 84August 31, 2018 2:47 AM

U.S. Congressman Wilbur Mills caught with stripper Fannie Foxe, both drunk. Foxe jumped into the Tidal Basin trying to elude the cops.

Nowadays that'd be just another night at the White House

by Anonymousreply 85August 31, 2018 3:26 AM

That's the first political sex scandal I can remember, r85.

Candace Mossler - She and her lover/nephew were acquitted of murdering her husband, Jacques Mossler. Seriously lurid stuff.

by Anonymousreply 86August 31, 2018 3:31 AM

When Lorena Bobbitt put husband John's little john on the chopping block.

by Anonymousreply 87August 31, 2018 3:39 AM

^ OMG, yes, R89! That was a huge scandal back in the day and definitely forgotten. Hell, even I forgot it! (And I'm a New Yorker.) I remember seeing her disfigured face and broken nose splashed all over the news.

by Anonymousreply 90August 31, 2018 4:28 AM

ANd he got out of prison quietly like ten years ago. I almost posted that too! I love this thread.

by Anonymousreply 91August 31, 2018 4:33 AM

Google Walter Jenkins. I'm too tired to type it up, sorry. It was considered so sordid at the time some papers refused to print the story but it was major and may have been a setup sting as an October Surprise to cost LBJ the 1964 election.

by Anonymousreply 92August 31, 2018 4:43 AM

The Beatles are more.popular than Jesus

by Anonymousreply 93August 31, 2018 5:10 AM

Ronald Dominique, the Cajun Killer who murdered two dozen gay men. I don't know why DL isn't fascinated with this fat nasty queen.

[quote]Bullied for being short, overweight, and homosexual as a teenager, Dominique reportedly also made few friends after growing up and doing “bad” drag performances at backwoods gay bars.

[quote]An acquaintance from that bar scene claimed some other gays in the area mocked Dominique for riding around on a motorized bike he won from McDonald’s, mean-spiritedly referring to him as “Miss Moped.”

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by Anonymousreply 94August 31, 2018 5:10 AM

Pee-Wee getting arrested for indecent exposure.

by Anonymousreply 95August 31, 2018 5:23 AM

I grew up in Oakland County, affluent suburbs north of Detroit. When I was in junior high school (1970s), four children were abducted and murdered, their bodies dumped in mundane places around the county. It cast a tremendous pall over the area for years, with parents driving their kids to school daily and lots of speculation about who and why. Later on there were allegations that the killer was the young adult son of a wealthy and connected GM executive, and that the identity was never confirmed due to a cover up that included county leadership. No one was ever charged and the case remains unsolved. Part of the shock I think was the setting—Oakland County is very safe, prosperous county with many posh areas, country clubs, elite schools, etc.

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by Anonymousreply 96August 31, 2018 7:47 AM

OCCK is a well known case among true crime buffs, r96.

by Anonymousreply 97August 31, 2018 7:51 AM

When i was growing up in Minnesota in the 1970s, the big story was the murder of the Duluth multi-millionairess Elisabeth Congdon and her nurse at midnight in Congdon's huge family turn-of-the-century mansion, Glensheen, on the shores of Lake Superior. The house was used just a few years before for the location shots of the Gothic film "You'll Like My Mother" with Patty Duke.

It turned out Congdon and her nurse were killed by the husband of Congdon's only (adopted) daughter. It is universally agreed that he did so at his daughter's evil behest--she is a complete sociopath--but the state could never prove it. (the husband eventually committed suicide in prison). The daughter, Marjorie Caldwell, later went on to become arrested for arson and to be involved with other mysterious deaths--she's really a piece of work.

the catc1h is I had THOUGHT it was long forgotten, but ithere's recently been a musical version of the story lately in the Twin cities called "Glensheen" that has played to sold-out audience--it turns out it is still the most famous of all Minnesota murder cases.

The screams of Congdon and her nurse are said to be still supernaturally heard late at night in the mansion...

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by Anonymousreply 98August 31, 2018 8:12 AM

DC Mayor Marion Barry getting caught on video smoking crack. Before this he went through a long period of party behavior where he parked his car on the railroad tracks and fell asleep and whooped it up at a criminal's house where he went to "change his clothes." Other inmates complained when Mayor Barry received a blowjob in the prison family visiting room. He was re-elected after doing his time.

by Anonymousreply 99August 31, 2018 9:27 AM

R97 Also well-known among people from the Detroit Metro area.

by Anonymousreply 100August 31, 2018 1:46 PM

Has the Atlanta child murders been mentioned? And that odd Wayne Wharever convicted of the murders?

by Anonymousreply 101August 31, 2018 1:53 PM

Alexander Hamilton fucking that slut Maria Reynolds

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by Anonymousreply 102August 31, 2018 2:24 PM

That link to the List house murders at r83 shows a photo of the dead bodies so fair warning.

by Anonymousreply 103August 31, 2018 2:37 PM

Bradford Bishop. Killed his whole family in the 70's. Never been found. Their have been claims of him being seen in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 104August 31, 2018 2:49 PM

The PTL club. Praise The Lord, and PASS THE LOOT!

Two of the homliest gits ever.

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by Anonymousreply 105August 31, 2018 2:56 PM

[quote]He was re-elected after doing his time.

He wasn't known as "Mayor for Life Marion Barry" for nothing. I lived in DC at the time and remember seeing T-shirts being sold saying "I SAW THE TAPE - GODDAMN BITCH SET HIM UP!" in reference to the drug bust.

by Anonymousreply 106August 31, 2018 5:35 PM

How classy those shirts must have been r106! I lived in LA when Johnny Cochran died and there were similar shitty shirts being sold.

by Anonymousreply 107August 31, 2018 5:45 PM

MoCo, MD in the 1970s. The Bradford Bishop murders really freaked me out because of how thoroughly he vanished.

by Anonymousreply 108August 31, 2018 6:06 PM

Wow. I'd completely forgotten about the Bradford Bishop case. That was a major big deal locally.

by Anonymousreply 109August 31, 2018 6:09 PM

I remember when Lady Godiva rode into Coventry on horseback, naked as a jaybird! I was in grammar school then, but I remember it like it were yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 110September 1, 2018 4:54 AM

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